We. Thats like complaining that your 22lr wont cycle 22short. If you want to shoot the lower end of the range, try one of the CSS springs. Instead of the traditional stock theres a skeletonized tubular stock and a pistol grip. The problem with shotguns is that the ammunition is huge and awkward. I find the Vepr 12 section and start a new thread. The empty hull gets stuck halfway being pulled out, stovepipes basically. They say not to use them for hunting as over penetration is likely. I'm thinking that I may have bent the gas tube a bit replacing the guard on that, but it looks within spec and I've been fiddling with it to make sure there isnt an out of spec gap. Capacity: 4+1 Ergonomics: * ** * I slicked up the feeding ramp on my first one But in hind sight that was just lazy. . I hope that some of this information will help those of you out there who are having problems similar to mine. Instead of being a straight AK-style safety, Molot has added a flap that extends down near the pistol grip with the idea that you can then use your trigger finger to manipulate the safety. is 2ed probem if gun not part of the arreast or being stop they cant check it, u need be on radar of atf or fbi, , saying this stay in complace of the laws u wont have probems the law can be challenge and defeated makes no sence , ack upgrading the gun to usa parts can make gun more latheal dont they even know this. Price wasnt a prior category. I was finally able to take my Vepr 12 out this morning to shoot. It jammed every time. Total Length: 42 in / 1070 mm. That said, Ill admit that in the reviews I have done Ive tried to add any categories that I felt had a direct affect on the overall score so the overall did make more sense when taking into account the stuff above it. $1200 is way too much. is this normal? i know the v12 has its self regulating gas system in which its basically supposed to be able to handle all types of rounds, and i also know that some weapons need a "break in period" to be properly evaluatedbut, from the people ive talked to who are familiar with actual kalashnikovs, im told there isnt supposed to be any play in the gas piston itselfand thats the only explanation i can come up with for this FTE issue. This. Dissident Arms designed our competitionguide rod assembly to correct inconsistent spring stacking, making for much smoother travel of the carrier during cycling. I work from a home office in my basement. The dust cover is hinged to the shotgun, allowing the user to open and close the cover without losing the zeroing of a mounted optic. However, I was still a bit skeptical seeing as how nothing else I had done had helped even a little. I'll bring out different brands of ammo as well. These are getting hard to come by. Saiga-12.com Corporation From what I understand, you are not supposed to use low brass ammo in the VEPR12 - it's in the manual somewhere. I tried the new performance springs from CSS with no luck. The list calls 1400fps rifled slughs high powered ammo, but i have some Hornady 9 pellet 00 that runs 1600fps. The VEPR has the standard Krebs adapter affixed. The Federal was a little better, but still jammed frequently. Thanks for taking a look. Second, ITS NOT DESIGNED TO RUN LOW BRASS BULK BIRDSHOT. This review almost had me until two things happened. He posted these pictures and made youtube videos. While I get the point the 922r Law is stupid, stay safe and dont give them anything to hang you with. Joined Jan 26, 2009 . This review doesnt mention what it did shooting target rounds like in 3 gun. 31 0 0. If it is still not working I'd contact the importer or the store you purchased it form. I have seen people complain about the S12 not cycling light target loads. I also like shotguns a lot, so having a few choices now is nice. 1 buckshot pellets. Okay, in the first picture, it says 1276 on the receiver. Sold it when I was stationed in California because the AK platform is per se illegal in the state and I play by the rules. As the author said, it was a solution looking for a problem. arringdd, You need to pull it into your shoulder when shooting the low power stuff. No complaints thus far. Just saying. I don't post too often on these sites, but I have had such horrible problems with my VEPR-12 and such subsequent fantastic results with it that I felt compelled to leave a post. I couldnt tell you on the overpenetraion aspect, as most of their buckshot is the same across the board. I also found another guy in Texas who ran a business with similar services although after trying to get in touch with him, it appears that he is currently experiencing medical issues and could not help me. They need some help with smoothing and polishing parts inside and such. Are you using the factory magazine or aftermarket? Due to Russian law, domestic and many export versions of the shotgun are equipped with a disconnector that will render the gun unable to fire while the stock is folded (only if the length of the weapon gets less than 800 mm). Because its not an AR. Friend lose things. It has failures to eject. If it does the mags may be the issue. That skeleton stock is actually a left hand folding that has been pinned open due to 922r. With its fixed open port gas system, the Vepr-12 can effectively cycle a multitude of 12-gauge loads, making it a highly versatile semi-automatic shotgun. Upload or insert images from URL. Iron sights on the VEPR-12 work decently because they can be zeroed and give the shooter 2 aiming reference points. So,wouldnt it be embarassing to be the 1st person to be done in by it? The effect of these changes is that the gun is a lot easier to handle straight out of the box. For that reason, why would they go to the trouble of polishing and beautifully machining their internals when they don't need to. I manually cycled my action over 500 times before ever shooting it and ran 100 slugs through it in an attempt to mechanically "polish" the rails and machined parts in the receiver. I have a few 10 round stick mags and a 20 round drum. Classic Firearms just put these on sale for $799/shipped. Your link has been automatically embedded. I prefer 5, 8, and 10 rounders. On the flip side, you have to draw the line somewhere and if there were a rating category for every possible facet of a firearm then the ratings would be longer than the review article. Ive beaten competitors much better than me that used those in Trooper division simply because their gun didnt work. I mean if the stock has been welded open it would mean that straight from the factory it was intended to fold but was welded for some legal reasons. I purchased this gun for right at $1000 bucks. It is well designed and in a place that makes it easy to reload and shoot without moving your hand much. In this video I do a short review of my new Vepr 12 and test the shotgun using both high brass and low brass ammunition. ive had nothing but issues feeding cheap rounds.FTE almost every single time. Fixing in order to achieve basic function and modifying to improve/change function are totally different things. I own Vepr-12 shotgun and the it has a last round bolt open feature. Rails all over the place, and more after market mods than you can shake a stick at. Inconsistencies of the factory VEPR 12 & SAIGA 12 Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are well known. Then the question become: why have the rating system at all? Shame on you. Guilty!!! Just because youre paranoid doesnt mean that people ARENT watching! All Rights Reserved. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Unfortunately it had cycling problems the entire time. Pasted as rich text. It must be that new STUPID CORE Math ..you know the Obammy way of doing things.. .I saw this as a news story on C hicken N oodle N ews.. Another use is deer/hog hunting. Then came the check the gas block and ports. Then of course the possibility of violating firearms laws in a different state. I second the Wally world suprema ammo. You take equipment from the factory and are willing to pan something if its bad. I charged the gun with a factory 5-round magazine and fired away. 3-gun competition? I find it laughable that you recommend a Mossberg 930 over the VEPR. How much does a shotgun with that thing on it weigh, fully loaded? Herters #00 Buckshot Crafted with high-quality components, this versatile buckshot is suitable for personal and home defense. One of the things I appreciate about your reviews is that theyre real reviews. I never done any real testing with it for overpenetration in an HD scenario, but it may overpenetrate. No. If youre thinking about home defense, thats probably the best application I could think of for the gun. Mine has a small amount of play in it too, but not much. the gas piston threaded into the bolt carrier has a little play in it side to side where it actually threads into the bolt carrier. Upgrade for the factory VEPR-12 and SAIGA-12 recoil assemblies. Pasted as rich text. The second one I bought was at issue. Your previous content has been restored. I know that you have probably done this, but make sure your gas puck (I think that is what it's called) is installed in the correct orientation. Paste as plain text instead, Maybe in time that will change. Due to the large difference in size between the 7.6239mm cartridge and 12-gauge shells, the extractor port has been lengthened, allowing the shotgun to eject spent shells without risk of causing a stovepipe malfunction. I did add a forward grip, get a picatiny rail, two allen screws with anchors, remove the bottom stock, install the two screws with anchors and reassemble. Ive always had great luck with people trying to help each other out. Although the slide release is inside the trigger guard, you have to put your finger behind the trigger and push quite hard to release. The Vepr-12 was conceived for the Russian military and law enforcement market, with civilian applications ranging from hunting to self-defense and competition use. I get lots of help. Well, it didn;t work that way for me. Had a Saiga 12 and it was a fun range gun. This is the most obviously biased and uninformed review Ive ever read on this site. The brenneke slugs I've used have been more accurate over the others. Second if you want to shoot light loads you have to adjust the gas system and set it to pos. I just dont get that feeling of reliability like I do with the others. cause to beleave its not they just cant arrest us or hold u, they need reason befor they ack, It actually DOES run the 3 dram bulk pack birdshot that my 930s wouldnt (despite the fact that its not supposed to). Inconsistencies of the factory VEPR 12 & SAIGA 12 Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are well known. And instead of rocking the magazines into place like on a standard AK, they simply slot straight into the receiver. I have several ARs and a hundred or so 30 round mags. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. There are a lot of internet experts out there. Im not worried about needing more than 6 rounds of 12 gauge for home defense. Finally I had a gun that cycled smoothly and fired effortlessly! Are there otherwise drum magazines to this weapon? Mechanically, anyway. I'm not saying that Shannon's custom polishing job is the answer for everyone, but it definitely worked for me when all the cheaper options were exhausted and may be just the fix for you. youtube should be fine. I get that the Russians suck and always will pertaining to their foreign policy as well as their Red Brethren China. Powered by Invision Community. I rarely loan money to friends unless I have no intention of ever having it paid back. I fire the magnum slugs, I dont see how the safety is a problem, no sharp metal jutting out. AK-47 Tips/Tricks, Links, Content and Buyer Guides. It works well for things like skeet and hunting, but when you get into tactical uses or competition shooting the game becomes a test of who can stuff rounds in their gun faster. You need to insert and empty magazine and then rack the action back, which is an extra step for something so crucial. The safety on the m1 rifle and several other firearms is in the trigger gaurd. Finally, if stuff happened and it was confiscated, Id just buy anotherno drama. | Disclaimer. In doing so, we learn a lot about how the VEPR 12 feeds and ejects different types of ammo. Based on the RPK standard, the Vepr 12 shares the same legendary . Ergonomics Firing: * * * * Neither worked without gunsmithing with ANY loads. Fanbois are fanbois. Customization: * * * * Once the jams start happening is it continuous through the rest of the magazine or sporadic? Instead of the standard AK safety selector, some Vepr-12 shotguns have an ambidextrous safety that can be manipulated from either side of the receiver. Caliber: 12ga Photo by Jeff Jones. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. VEPR 12 issues. A nifty range gun no doubt, but if I'm spending this much money I'd like to actually be able to use it for something. Copyright Pasadena Shooting Dentist. I considered giving it to a friend for safekeeping but everyone knows how that goes. With these considerations in mind, Molot introduced unique features, such as the ambidextrous safety selector, the bolt hold-open mechanism and a simplified magazine feeding mechanism. A little play is normal on your piston. Go grab some decent buckshot and slugs and run about 20 or so through the gun to make sure it is broken in. Press J to jump to the feed. A place for responsible gun owners and enthusiasts to talk about guns without the politics. In no way do I represent the opinion of TTAG when I say: if you dont like the subjective ratings, then simply ignore them. The VEPR-12 model features an ambidextrous safety, a reimagined magazine feeding mechanism . I can't speak for the Saiga as I have never used one, but I LOVE my Vepr. Were not supposed to call out reviewers on their biases! But it was a fun range gun. Message boards are awesome resources of knowledge. From below, I had it on the bench when I was using the dremel for the stock set, so it going to clean this one and potentially just buy a nicer one. I wanted to use the worst possible ammo I could find and sure enough, I did. If you can get a few pictures I can at least compare with my Vepr 12. My Saiga 12 works flawlessly if I have the gas adjusted correctly. You need to insert and empty magazine and then rack the action back, which is an extra step for something so crucial.. The Vepr-12 also incorporates a unique safety catch and bolt release mechanism. Its pretty reasonable to expect a new gun to work (feed, fire, eject) as it comes out of the box. I dont believe the 2nd is about home defense. Vepr 12 shotguns are designed for self-defense. VEPR-12 Shotgun Specifications: Caliber: 12ga Barrel: 19 inches Capacity: 4+1 MSRP: $1,199 ( Buds) Thanks man, it is sounding more and more like this is a trigger issue. Better to have more pellets and a little less penetration which is what you get with a normal 15 pellet magnum load. Take your finger and slowly push the follower downward as deep as you possibly can. The follower is a bit rough in my sgm but unfortunately the fte problem happens with the factory 5 rounder also. I might cut my house in half, but there is no way in hell anybody is leaving that place alive. New from Wolf: Optics and Night Vision Sights. My Saiga 12 is mostly a range toy. Was imagining a jury looking at this tacticool monster AK 47 assault shotgun in the event I actually used it for home defense, the intruder gave me time to load the thing, it didnt jam, and I actually hit that at which I was aiming. I havent run birdshot through it yet so I cant comment on function with low brass loads. Day and night difference in performance and reliability. How does Rails all over the place, and more after market mods than you can shake a stick at net a mere 4 for customization? Let me know if theres anything else that would help. Top quality upgrade replacement for your Vepr-12. With the VEPR-12, it looks like some of those problems have been fixed. And to Nick: feelings shouldnt really affect things. Dyspeptic Gunsmith can probably answer this better and more eloquently than I can. Alternate 00 buck with slugs and rock and roll the big apes. Like all firearms with the Vepr designation, the Vepr-12 receiver is patterned after that of the RPK light machine gun. Hence the fat portion of the piston. The other point is gun is great COMBAT gun for which it was designed. My long saga was over. so im not sure if this is an actual problem or not as this (v12) is my first ak platform weapon of any kind. That is American ingenuity at work. The biggest magazines Ive seen fro the VEPR-12 are 12 round magazines, and those require compliance with that pesky Federal statute 922(r) before using them in your gun. Their new loads are badass. http://thetruthaboutguns.com/author/foghorn/, Gun Review: Taurus GX4XL T.O.R.O. Theres always a risk for it, but its hard to say how bad it would be. Am i allowed to post a youtube link? I believe completely that there is room for personal opinion on a reviewbut no reason whatsoever to leave out/ get WRONG tec.data. I took a picture of the trunnion and rear of the carrier after cleaning to show the amount of wear due to contact. They included that button on the bottom of the receiver it is in front of the trigger this allows you to lock the bolt without an inserted magazine. is this normal? I thought about the annoyance of trying to load magazines (cant leave them loaded for years on end or the springs get even less reliable), rock & lock, and engage an intruder Id have to ask for a time out and heaven forbid the darn thing jams as sometimes happened at the range. Semi-auto AK-style shotguns arent new, and weve reviewed them before on the site. Maybe a little break-in in some cases makes sense, but having to fix it like replacing parts with aftermarket ones or polishing stuff, etc before it cycles properly is not a good thing and nobody should expect that with any modern firearm. Bwahahahaaaaaa!!! Yeah I forgot about that, But they also make a new 3" magnum load which I would like to try out for HD. So bottom line, great gun. Break it in a bit. I had a box of Federal 8 shot, and Winchester Universal 7 1/2 shot. Do this quite a few times until the follower moves smoothly from top to bottom. got question how many atf going strp down one these just see ifi it complinant. 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