Gobbis teaching on the Second Coming is contrary to the teaching of the Church. It just seems to cheapen the Truth, to me somehow. The Second point I want to make is that you are mistaken that one may dissent from non-infallible teaching. Elizabeths profound prayer life led her to become a lay Carmelite, and in 1958 at age forty-five, she entered a three-year-period of spiritual darkness. The answer is: The system of mitigated millenarianism cannot be taught safely.. On one occasion, Jesus placed the crown of thorns upon her head causing her to lose consciousness and the ability to eat for two or three days. For example, if a Catholic priest, for whatever reason, tells someone that they may steal money from work and that this is not wrong, the person does not sin in doing it, because their conscience has been misinformed. For example, of what practical value could it be to spend the opening lines of one's homily explaining how our reading from Isaiah wasn't written by him at all, but is from "Dueturo-Isaiah," or that the sermon on the mount is really a collection of sayings, not necessarily spoken at any one time? For the greatest possible glorification of her virgin body is the complement, at once appropriate and marvelous, of the absolute innocence of her soul, which was free from all stain. 3:10). So then he has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he hardens the heart of whomever he wills" (Rom. I love Jesus, and have always felt his presence in my life. The position of the Church towards the Anguera apparitions is understandably one of caution; as with Zaro di Ischia, a commission has been established for the purposes of evaluation. She was, perhaps, what one would have called a typical Sunday-going Catholic who knew little about her faithand even less about the Bible. Sensing that this could be a sign, the children began to pray the Rosary. Fr. Share. The Queen of the Rosary touched with her hand water which flows from the place of apparitions in Itapiranga and asked that it be brought to the sick for healing. Is this compatible with the practice of our true Catholic faith? Thus you will at last be able to see with your own eyes the new heavens and the new earth (To The Priests, Our Ladys Beloved Sons, U.S. National Headquarters of the MMP [1995], 893). Then, during Communion at Mass one day, Jesus began to audibly speak to her giving messages of love and warning telling her, My child, you are the extension of My message of Divine Mercy.Since her messages focus more on the justice thatmustcome to an unrepentant world, they do indeed fill in the latter part of St. Faustinas message: before I come as a just Judge, I first open wide the door of My mercy. Scripture also verifies that the Last Judgment will take place at Jesus Second Comingnot, as Fr. Why Pedro Regis? On March 8, 1985, Alicjas life changed radically when she encountered Jesus standing before her after receiving Holy Communion. Gobbi through interior locutions are some of the most numerous and detailed regarding her love of her people, her constant support of her priests, the coming persecution of the Church, and what she calls the Second Pentecost, another term for the Warning, or the Illumination of Conscience of all souls. The volumes that contain PRIVATE REVELATION from heaven, given to Luz de Mara from the year 2009 to the present time, have been given to me for the respective ecclesiastic approval. The children were received and blessed by Mgr Dominik Toth of the Trnava-Bratislava archdiocese, where an official inquiry was instigated on October 28, 1998. And the local Bishop of Civita Castellana appears to have been quietly supportive of Gisella Cardia, having given access early on to a chapel for the overwhelming influx visitors who began to gather in the Cardias house to pray, once news of the apparitions began to spread. LOCATION: Milan, Italy. It was somewhat startling to have the Blessed Mother giving an estimated time of arrival for Jesus returnand so soon! It was Fr. Colin B. Donovan, STL, Marian Movement of Priests, EWTN Expert Answers, accessed July 4, 2019, ewtn.com. At most cenacles, the meditations of Don Stefano are read and discussed, though this is not an essential part of the movement. But this is not conscience. Thank you for your patience in this matter, and for being here to just listen. Walter would hear her voice through interior locutionsin words as clear to him as his ownand she began to guide, shape, and teach him. For a powerfully effective Marian consecration, order the book, Marys Mantle Consecration: A Spiritual Retreat for Heavens Help, endorsed by Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone and Bishop Myron J. Cotta, and the accompanying Marys Mantle Consecration Prayer Journal. St. Vincent of Lerins, in the 5th century, was the first to suggest the conditions by which the ordinary, everyday teaching of bishops and/or popes can become infallible. Granted that it may be "objectively wrong in judgment," but it is "subjectively" correct when it judges according to what the mind knows. Their banner was recently blessed by Pope Francis. We remain in full compliance with all of these directives; and, if his messages are formally condemned in the future, then we will remove them from this website. In his letter, Fr. Around that time, she also began to have intimate conversations with the Lord through inner locutions, followed by conversations with the Virgin Mary and her guardian angel. Now, for the second part of our story: Mother Angelica, devout and well-intentioned as she may be, has some big problems. Stefano Gobbi, were published in the book, To the Priests, Our Ladys Beloved Sons, which has received the Imprimatur of three cardinals and many archbishops and bishops worldwide. Between 1973 and 1997 Fr Stefan Gobbi claimed to receive interior locutions [messages] from Our Lady to guide and prepare priests, and the faithful, for the coming time of great trial, which would involve widespread apostasy and schism within the Catholic Church. The close and detailed convergence, without a hint of plagiarism, with messages from other serious sources of which Luz de Maria seems to have been personally unaware (such as Fr. One day, his friend and co-worker, Aaron, who had recently undergone a conversion in Medjugorje, handed Walter a book of Marys Medjugorje messages. Stephano Gobbi . https://www.ildispariquotidiano.it/it/zaro-20-anni-di-apparizioni-fiaccolata-rosario-e-nuovo-messaggio/, Video documentary (Italian) including archival 1995 footage of the seers (among them Ciro Vespoli): . Let's take the more common and controversial case of contraception. I come to this discussion late and I haven't read all the earlier messages. For one thing, Mother seems to live in a world of black and white. The apparitions have been marked by a large number of unexplained phenomena which resemble those observed in other similar sites: lacrimations of blood from a statue of the Virgin (as in Civitavecchia or Trevignano Romano), the dance of the sun (as in Fatima or Medjugorje), the image of Mary inexplicably printed in petals (as in Lipa in the Philippines in 1948) In the messages, we also find references to numerous Marian apparitions of the past. This article explains why it may be dangerous for faithful Catholics to participate in the Marian Movement of Priests or to believe in the locutions of its founder, Fr. You state, "But once the conscience has been informed as to the reality of what the Church teaches. Following Turzovka (1958-1962) and Litmanova (1990-1995), the village of Dechtice is the third modern apparition site in Slovakia, where scientifically unexplained events began on December 4, 1994. for a Priest to change the word "men" to "people" in the Nicene Creed at mass? The apparitions continued in Dobra Voda, then in Dechtice, where other children also began to receive messages. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism (676). I want, at all times to hear more of his message, and I pray often throughout the day. For he says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' A few years ago, our present Holy Father added to the profession of faith that must be made by new bishops, pastors, and teachers of theology in Catholic institutions, a clause in which one must declare submission to all the teachings of the Church, regardless of the manner of that teaching, and also a belief in the infallibility of the ordinary magisterium. The Catholic Church is the only major Christian denomination that continues to "nickel-and-dime" it's people for it's existence. I don't know a lay person who has complained about money talks from the pulpit who's attitude would not change if he spent one month as a pastor. No pronouncement has yet been made on the authenticity of the apparitions, which continue to be monitored by the Church. Stefano Gobbi, To the Priests Our Ladys Beloved Sons. It is noteworthy that this man does not read the Blue Book to this day (as his education is very limited and he has a reading disability). . It will be like a judgment in miniature and each one will see himself in the light of the very Truth of God. Michel Rodrigue, Fr. M., Over the past year, I've heard fellow parishioners express concerns over homilies. EWTN. Gobbis locutions as Marys messages, I began to have other reasons to wonder about the MMP. . More disconcerting than the message itself were some of the explanations given by MMP members of just what this expected return would entail. Is Jesus going to return in glory by the year 2000? Given our knowledge through the testimony of exorcists as to how the fallen angels detest and fear Mary to the point of refusing to name her, the chances that one would spontaneously induce the production of the words Mary most holy (Maria santissima) in blood on the seers body would appear to be next to nil. No, I need to make that decision right now, and Walter took off. David LiPuma will be joined by host and showrunner Michael O'Neill for a question and answer . . I am pleased to have found you here on AOL. This is part of the mystery of the incarnation. The idea that fallen angels could be at the origin of the messages nonetheless seems extremely unlikely, given their theological content and exhortations to holiness. Our Lady to Fr. Only you can say whether you are open to the truth, or willing to accept the authority given by Christ to his Church to define and teach it. If only the Spirit, in these cases, was a bit more focused. Part of dealing with this kind of situation is to recognize that we can't change those around us; we can only change ourselves. Were we mistaken in thinking Fr. Filippo Strofaldi, who had been following the apparitions since 1999, had the monsignor judged the apparitions either diabolic or the result of mental illness. Born in 1972 in Itajai in the state of Santa Catarina in Brazil, Eduardo Ferreira found an image of Our Lady of Aparecida in the courtyard of the family house on January 6, 1983. In 1972, eight years into his priesthood, Fr. I certainly never claimed that the conscience is "infallible" nor that the judgment of conscience is always "objectively" accurate. M.: You write, "The Catholic Church defines the conscience as a faculty of the intellect that alerts us as to whether our actions are in conformity with the truth." The fact that many of the events predicted in these messages (volcanic explosions in specific places, terrorist attacks in particular locations, such as Paris) have already come true with great accuracy. On June 19, 2013, Pope Francis gave it his Apostolic Blessing. Last Night of the Year . EWTN | 5817 Old Leeds Rd. It wasnt until she became a Daughter of Mary that the nightmares finally ceased at the age of eleven. Gobbi: It is clear that we will retain our weakened nature even after the Second Coming of Christ in glory (9). " thus I have again succeeded in postponing the time of the chastisement decreed by divine justice for a humanity which has become worse than at the time of the flood.(#576). Jesus told the man, I will cease speaking to you now, but My Mother will continue to lead you. The couple felt called to start a cenacle of the Marian Movement of Priests where they would meditate on the messages of Our Lady to Fr. How did Fr. Pedro Regis, himself, was also unaware of the meaning of some of the theological terms employed in the message. You can see right away the problem: it appears as if Paul is saying that people are good or bad because God causes them to be such, without any effort or purpose on their part involved. In 1992, Marco Ferrari began meeting with friends to pray the Rosary on Saturday evenings. I DECLARE that I have not found any doctrinal error that attempts against the faith, morality and good habits, for which I grant these publications the IMPRIMATUR. The spirituality of the movement is simple, and consists of three parts: (1) Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary; (2) complete fidelity to and unity with the Pope and with the Church in union with him; and (3) a priestly desire to lead the faithful entrusted to one's pastoral care to love the Mother of God and have devotion to her. Copyright 2023 Eternal Word Television Network, Inc. Irondale, Alabama. For anyone who loves the truth and the Church, what else needs to be said? Do we have free will on our choices, or is everything we do preordained by God? While I didnt feel called to join the cenacle, I encouraged my friend and prayed for her in what seemed to be a wonderful endeavor. Here, we must remember two points: First, not all infallible teaching is taught by some "ex cathedra" pronouncement by the Pope. However, Fr. As regards the often sobering content of the messages,** there is a striking convergence between them and other serious sources, with notheological errors. Thank You for Being Here ! Since almost all people have no idea of what the true nature of conscience is, I'm sure that everyone will react negatively to this. I had never seen so much beauty, Luz said of Marys appearance. Certainly no human being exists who is not either a man or a womanthere's no such thing as a sexless person, and Jesus clearly became a man. He who refuses to pass through the door of My mercy must pass through the door of My justiceDivine Mercy in My Soul, Diary of St. Faustina, n. 1146, One day, the Lord instructed her to present her messages to the Holy Father, Pope John Paul II. (1913-1985)Wife, Mother, Mystic, and Founder of The Flame of Love Movement. Michael Warsaw, if you are listening, I demand you take down every one of my appearances in the archives on Mother Angelica Live, the Journey Home, The Apostle of Common Sense, Jeff Cavins' show, Bookmarks, Johnette Benkovic's show, "The Surprise", and Franciscan . YEARS: 1972 - Present. It was designed to counter doubts about the validity of the messages, but, in order to do so, it was necessary to include those statements that gave rise to the concerns in the first place. A third factor in favor of taking the Zaro apparitions/messages seriously is the clear evidence that in 1995, the visionaries had what appears to have been a precognitive vision (published in the magazineEpoca) of the 2001 destruction of the Twin Towers* in New York. National Headquarters of the Marian Movement of Priests in the United States of America, Our Lady Speaks to Her Beloved Priests, 10th Edition (Maine; 1988) p. xiv. On October 4, 1996, appearing in front of the cross on the mountain next to the chapel, the Virgin said: Beloved son, I wish to tell you this afternoon and to tell all my children the importance to live the messages. Whether or not the conscience can do this is determined by whether is it really knows the truth. He was born in the Province of Como, Italy and was ordained as a priest in 1964. I will obey anything they say. _____ Prayers for all who have requested prayer, or for whom prayer has been requested. Taken from the best-selling book, The Warning: Testimonies and Prophecies of the Illumination of Conscience. Gobbi fradhatatlanul azon dolgozott, hogy teljestse a Szzanya neki bzott kldetst. In addition, unbelief in this persons locutions or that persons visions doesnt equate to joining Satans attacks on our Lady. Even though some of the Lords words were of warning, he described Jesuss voice as always beautiful and gentle. Therefore, we can surely be certain that the Lord will appear and return to this earth for a period of time before the final end of the world (6). The consistently elevated theological content and pedagogy of these messages and devotions. This obligation to be faithful to the sacred texts as they have been approved is a serious one, as was emphasized by the Fathers of the Second Vatican Council: "Regulation of the sacred liturgy depends solely on the authority of the Church, that is, on the Apostolic See, and, as laws may determine, on the bishop" (Sacrosanctum Concilium, 4 Dec 1963, #22, n1). Stefano Gobbi as being of a heavenly nature. I need to decide if I should consecrate my life to the Mother of God., Thats great, Walter, Aaron responded, but its 9 a.m., and we have work to do. But once the conscience has been informed as to the reality of what the Church teaches, then the excused no longer exists, and one must now act in accord with the new standard the conscience has received. Only at the end, when rereading, do I understand the meaning of the entirety of the words dictated to me more or less quickly in a theological language that I do not understand. 91. A Nihil obstatwas recently granted by an Archbishop for the Polish translation of the second of these,In Cammino con Maria(On the way with Mary) published byEdizioni Segno, containing the story of the apparitions and the associated messages up until 2018. Dom Carillo Gritti, Bishop of the diocese of Itacoatiara, approved the 1994-1998 phase of the apparitions as supernatural in origin on May 31, 2009 and personally laid the cornerstone of a new Sanctuary in Itapiranga on May 2, 2010. One is not an automaton. These phenomena, when the sun appears to rotate, flash or be transformed into a Eucharistic Host, clearly cannot be faked by human means, and being recorded (albeit imperfectly) on camera, are also evidently not merely the fruit of collective hallucination. A lot of people struggle with the things you mention. Since Dom Grittis death in 2016, there has been an as yet unresolved conflict between the diocese of Itacoatiara and the Association established by Edson Glauber and his family to support construction of the Sanctuary. Gobbi of the Marian Movement of Priests from Italy (see one of our recent posts for a message from Our Lady to Fr. There she heard a voice that she identified as her guardian angel, telling her to get up. Thus began an adventure with God and Our Lady that Walter could never have dreamed of. But sin is in the will; and if the conscience does not judge an act to be immoral, the will to do the act cannot be called sin. This charity, founded by Anchor Food Products founder Robert Follett, also contributes to the Legion of. Call us at, 1-833-288-3986. A question of great importance and controversy. Joseph Iannuzzi, and other sources, please allow us, in just a few sentences, to strive to put an end to the perplexity. Howeverand this is importantFather Gobbi does not require any priest in the movement to accept these meditations as authentic messages from Our Blessed Mother, and leaves that judgment up to the authority of the Church, which, so far, has not chosen to rule on the question. Catechism:The Antichrists deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological [final] judgment. Fr. Longenecker Dwight Longenecker 2020-10-13T13:05:13-04:00. At the womans next appearance, the children sprinkled the mysterious figure with blessed water, thinking it might be a demon, but the woman did not disappear. Catechism:The Last Judgment will come when Christ returns in glory (CCC 1040). In 1995, he predicted that Christ would return in glory in the year 2000 to establish the new heavens and the new earth. I couldn't agree with you more: the quality of preaching isor at least should bea major concern of any bishop, and is a prime source of dissatisfaction among lay people. . The Marian Movement of Priests must be my work alone. The Catholic Church defines the conscience as a faculty of the intellect that alerts us as to whether our actions are in conformity with the truth. and, "A conscience that knows what the Church teaches can never be used as an excuse to do what the Church teaches is objectively evil." This becomes clear when you hear people say things like, "Jesus became a person" as opposed to "man," or "In the name of the Parent, and of the Offspring, and of the Holy Spirit." Having struggled through the changing theological terrain of Protestantism, neither of us wanted to stray from the sure footing of truthi.e., the teaching and leadership of the Catholic Church. An hour later, he walked back into Aarons office with a smile on his face and said, I did it!. It was indescribable pain, although I know that however painful it may be, it is not the totality of the pain that Christ continues to suffer for humanity. ((Revelamos Quen Es la Vidente Luz de Mara, Foros de la Virgen Mara, accessed July 13, 2019, https://forosdelavirgen.org/118869/luz-de-maria-reportaje)), It was on March 19 of 1992, that the Blessed Mother began to speak regularly to Luz de Mara. However, I did read yours of 5/29, "Missing Mass on Sundays." When I begin to write (let us say, under dictation), I am not aware of the sense of the whole. .The universe itself will be renewed: . 24:20 QUESTIONS FROM THE EWTN MAILBAG 23:58 QUESTIONS FROM THE EWTN MAILBAG Stefano Gobbi have now begun. Secondly, several of the overtly prophetic messages would appear to have been fulfilled: we notably find a request in September 2019 to pray for China as the source of new airborne diseases. Soon afterwards, he announced to Aaron, Theres a decision I have to make in my life. Would you give me some of your thoughts on what could or should be done to correct this? As a result, a couple in my parish who had been contracepting using your understanding of conscience, approached by with a firm desire to change. Our Lady showed heaven, hell and purgatory to Edson, and along with her Son, gave various teachings for families to Maria do Carmo. She grew up in a very religious home with great devotion to the Eucharist, and as a child, experienced heavenly visits from her guardian angel and the Blessed mother, whom she considered her companions and confidants. Pius XII summarized his reasoning thus: "These two singular privileges [the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption] bestowed upon the Mother of God stand out in most splendid light as the beginning and the end of her earthly journey. Gobbis alleged messages from our Lady). But what about the imprimatur given to Fr. Note: About 23 years ago, a man and a woman in California, who were living together in a life of sin, began a profound conversion through Divine Mercy. WASHINGTON (CNS) -- Gloria Purvis, who was told after the Dec. 30 broadcast of the EWTN radio show "Morning Glory" that the show was canceled effective immediately, said she has no regrets about. Your experiences and what you feel are not at all unique. La bestia nera . All this is not to frighten, but to urge man to turn his gaze toward God. Conscience is a "judgment" about the moral lawfulness/unlawfulness of a particular action. Mitch, Johnnette Williams, Jerry Usher, Debbie Georgianni, Crystalina Evert and David Anders. Several months later, Mary and Saint Michael the Archangel introduced her to Our Lord in a vision, and in time, Jesus and Mary would speak to her of coming events, such as the Warning. Gobbi worked tirelessly to fulfill the mission Our Lady entrusted to him. Gobbi founded the Marian Movement of Priests (MMP). EWTN personalities join Fr. Gobbi concedes this reign may not consist of a literal thousand years, he says the resurrected martyrs will reign with Christ on earth for a period of timea temporal earthly reignbefore the Last Judgment. Visionary of Our Lady of Anguera. Thirdly, the messages have frequently been accompanied by visible phenomena, photographic evidence found inIn Cammino con Maria, which cannot be the fruit of subjective imagination, notably the presence of the stigmata on Giselles body and and the appearance of crosses or religious texts inbloodon Gisellas arms. Without knowing the director you speak of, and assuming what you say is accurate, I would not hesitate to question the experience or wisdom of any director of souls who would insist that someone practice one particular method of prayer or meditation. Leading Mariologist, Dr. Mark Miravalle of Steubenville University devoted a book to them, called The Three Hearts: Apparitions of Jesus, Mark, and Joseph from the Amazon. From my own experience I'm pretty much in agreement with what I'm hearing, and that is, as a general rule homilies leave a great deal to be desired in content and delivery. Our Lady's words and direction to Fr. Why Simona and Angela? The following is adapted, in part, from the book, THE WARNING: Testimonies and Prophecies of the Illumination of Conscience, pp. I have to admit this type of thing 'spooks' me and sounds off little caution alarm bells in my head. I'm scheduled to become a Novice on the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conceptionbut I will regrettably have to forego such a blessed opportunity if my particular director is telling us to get involved in something that might be damaging to our Catholic belief. The two current visionaries, Simona Patalano and Angela Fabiani, receive messages on the 8th and 26th of each month, and Don Ciro Vespoli, who provides spiritual guidance to them, was himself one of a group of seers during the initial phase of the apparitions, before he became a priest. Disobedience of any kind is a phenomenon which has its roots in the interior life (or lack thereof), and is principally a disease of the soul. Gobbi clearly says that the Consecration of Russia has not occurred. In these times of grave danger, the Mother of God and of the Church is taking action without hesitation or uncertainty to assist first and foremost the priests, who are the sons of her maternal predilection. Tasks are assigned for each day of the week, which involve prayer, fasting, and night vigils, with beautiful promises attached to them, laced with special graces for priests and the souls in purgatory. In this Second Pentecost, the Spirit of Christ will penetrate ever soul so forcefully and thoroughly that in five-to fifteen minutes time, every person will see his or her life of sin. Fr. Gobbi] still unequivocally affirms and continues to maintain . "You see evil growing instead of weakening?" Jesus says in this prayer. | Irondale, AL 35210 |. Father Jos Mara Fernandez Rojas has remained beside Luz de Mara as her confessor from the beginning of her locutions and visions, and two priests work with her permanently. Subj: Changing scripture Date: 94-06-26 22:22:27 EDT From: Jerome. I hear, I feel, a music, a symphony, in all my interactions. I do not question what is in people's heart, but I just cannot believe in the Assumption of Mary, Mary as co-Redemptrix, and Mary as the Queen of Heaven. There, in the street below, she saw a crowd and armed soldiers leading three prisoners; she recognized Jesus as one of them. 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