Well, being of Scots-descent, Ill take one of each. It is the same oppression that the Hungarians did to the Slovaks over the ages!!!!! This was a long term plan but theyve brought it forward by about 8-10 years. Catholic and Slovak-American, my personal preference is Jamesons. As most Irish distillers use their barrels more than once, the color and bourbon flavor is thinned a bit once blended. There are some amazing ones, FYI, I will leave it at that. Religion and booze dont go well together so its a subject that perhaps should be avoided. I had the 15yr old Kilbeggan during a visit at the Cooley distillery a few years back, and it was damn tasty. To those who want to talk about Catholic vs Protestant issues, at least go visit the country before assuming anything. He said, no, Im Catholic, but I was born and raised in the town of Bushmills! Oh, and as your average American that enjoys the brown, I contend that my enjoyment of scotch does not come at the expense of the Irish, Kentuckians, Tennesseeans or even Canadians! Nuts. The northern Protestant states, angered by the violation of their rights to choose granted in the Peace of Augsburg, banded together to form the Protestant Union. My wife has just blown raspberries on my belly whilst Ive been reading this crap seriously it doesnt matter which type of sky fairy you believe in bushmills black label vs tulamore dew is a close run thing and depends on how and what mood youre in rather that some stupid pagan affiliation. Ill have to try a Manhattan next. Drink which ever you palette desires!! Not buying a certain brand of product because of centuries of English overlordship of Ireland is just so stupid on so many levels. The new distillery opened in 1975, and a year later, production ceased at John's Lane Distillery and began anew in Cork,[1] with Powers Gold Label and many other Irish whiskeys reformulated from single pot stills whiskeys to blends. Terrific reading. One happens to be located in a majority Protestant area and one located in a majority Catholic area, big deal! Im a man who likes to know what he is drinking. Theyve also started work on a massive bottling plant on site to bring all areas of Dew production back to the town. Literal Meaning. The Master Distiller, Colum Eagan, is indeed a Catholic himself and comes from Co. Laois in ROI. The big difference between the two whiskies has nothing to do with religion, which is silly and, in some respects, rather ignorant. And, many thanks to (nearly) all of those who offered comments. [1] Irish Distillers owned the brand until its sale to Sazerac in 2016. The regular is fine; the Black Bush is nice if maybe too refined for me when I want a dram of Irish. I still live there. Very sweet (like the inside of a burnt marshmellow). Get your facts right ! I was told by one Irishman the RedBreast would change my life and another one told me that The Irishman Founders Reserve would do the same. The Roman Catholic Church responded to the Protestant challenge by purging itself of the abuses and ambiguities that had opened the way to revolt . A great whiskey. Jameson is a blended potstill whiskey (malted + Unmalted grain blended with grain whiskey). The 1608 license is not marketing shite, but did refer to the area of the town of Bushmills. (typically with the dots de-emphasised using colour and font size), is a brand of Irish whiskey produced by William Grant & Sons. We were servedcorned beef and cabbage with California wine and a shot of Paddy cut with Baileys after dinner. Corvallisbarman is half right. Michael Collins is a newcomer to the market place. If it was a genuine issue then bars wouldnt serve both. Currently sipping on a Writers Tears neat & have two types of Teeling, The Irishman single malt, The Irishman Founders Reserve, a 12 y/o Redbreast, a GreenSpot single pot, a Powers John Lane Release, a Middleton Barry Crockett Legacy, a 12 y/o Jameson Special Reserve, & a Green Spot still to try. [4] At the time of his visit, the distillery was home to five pot stills, two of which with capacities of 25,000 gallons, were amongst the largest ever built. Shortly after reading this post I dropped by Mortons to see a bartender friend. Currently, I go though a case of Jameson for every bottle of Bushmills that we sell at our bar. Also, you ask what in the heck does Virginia have to do with Kentucky Bourbon? Slainte. From the outset of the Reformation, Luther and his associates had fiercely proclaimed the Christian's obligation to "be subject to the governing authorities," asserting, with Saint Paul, that "the powers that be are ordained by God . I am not trying to be offensive here, but really, it is just so dumb. I always love showing up with a gallon jug of pre-mixed margaritas for the party, so Ive. Never been a fan of the Powers. I like Jamesons.andI like BushmillsandI like Tullamore Dew.and I dont care if theyre made by Indonesian monks that hate my mothertheyre just tasty. The company has been running since 1780 and has developed and perfected the art of producing the premium quality, top shelf, and smoothest Irish whiskey in the world today. As for the Tullamore Dew, it actually is the perfect mingling of North & South, since the pot still & grain comes from Midleton in Cork and the single malt is distilled at Bushmills (then aged down at LDI). Assertive and complex, with lots of development and seemingly infinite dimension. And since I inherited her mothers sideboard, now repurposed as the bar in my den, I shall drink Bushmills tonight. The full like of Bushmills (and a couple of other Irish whiskeys) will be available for sampling at Whiskies of the World on March 27th. I am going to be the bartender at my college prom, and need a drink that will be popular with the kids. Why even Arthur Guinness was a prod. ! Idiot!! But Well Kentucky used to be part of the state of Virginia, but that doesnt mean you blame the whiskey for something that happened in that state. Class dismissed. The plantation of Ulster started in 1609, and BTW that very same King (James I) planted the Jamestown settlement in Virginia two year previous in 1607. No one here has a soft spot in their heart for Paddys? Your email address will not be published. These two fine whiskeys should be enjoyed in a glass and not on some pseudo-religious podium. If you want to support Ireland, go and visit and maybe read a few history books and hopefully realise that most normal people dont give a toss about religious leanings. Not what religion you think a whiskey holds. Love Black Bush but Jamesons Gold Reserve gets my vote as the very best Ive had. Should these facts come into the discussion when considering whether or not to indulge in a pint of the creamy delicious black stuff!? . About 5 or 6 years ago they flooeded Irish bars with it just before St. Paddys Day,almost forcing bars to sell off a lot of free stock they received. All Irish whiskey is great. Theres Whiskey and a prod or a catholic will drink it either way. Paid 10 Euro for a shot of it in Dublin, and well worth the price. I went to the Distillery in Tullamore(now a museum for the whiskey), it is now produced in Middleton, although it is no longer owned by Pernod-Ricard. All of it. As a proud Corkonian, I feel the need to set the record straight. West Virginia is the only U.S state where you can legally handle venomous serpents to prove your faith. And it was always welcomed as a special Balkan business bestowal, to grease whatever wheels needed turning. Im after trying many whiskies and Jamesons Gold is my current favourite, if a bit spendy. Prom_STar 9 yr. ago Cocktail Kingdom Stainless Steel Julep Strainer, Kuhn Rikon 4-Inch Nonstick Colori Paring Knife, UPDATE: So much has been discovered since this post originally went up, about the dangers of quinine in people with quinine sensitivity. This article is based on a paper delivered at the American Catholic Historical Association conference It was one of the longest and most destructive conflicts in European history, resulting in millions of casualties. Not one of ya mentions Knappogue Castle. 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Wexford, This page was last edited on 15 February 2023, at 23:21. I must have been misinformed. @Allen: I think it show more the bigoted nature of your tour guide than it does Bushmills. It was fine w me, because the Jameson Distillery tour was fantastic. It is all quite harmonious between the distilleries. Cake When it comes to what crosses my lips I guess I am an agnostic. While John Jameson was most likely a Protestant, his distillery in Dublin represented the Free State mentality and did not suffer from bigoted hiring practices. Privacy Policy | Now I need to locate Redbreast! Like seriously you hate us so much you wont drink our whiskey??? The date of 1608 doesnt even specifically relate to that brand but that a license was granted in somewhere in that general area. Powers Gold Label for me, thank you very much. Thank you everyone for the new rea, Finally home from three wonderful days in Berlin a, When life gives you fresh passionfruits. Good evening All, Me, Ill opt mostly for the great spirits of the independent Cooley Distillery, located just north of Dublin. I am definitively a black bush person but I was mentioning that while spending a lot of time in Ireland back in 1998, I saw, while visiting the Bushmills distillery, cartons of Jameson bottles on the bottling chain. My post was simple stating that the problem still exists. But the Bushmills Distillery Reserve, a bottle of which my very, very good sister recently brought back as a gift from Belfast, is holy smoking delicious good. Redbreast IS great for sipping (especially for the price) and Powers Gold is fine too. Ireland is %110 united in whiskey. I answered, Episcopalian because we think of ourselves as both and neither. In a TALL glass.one shot of A fair amount of nonsense in some of these replies. Funny, I also sought some info from a Bushmills rep when this controversy came up around St. Pattys day! Question, in the US, is Powers readily available? I took a fifth of Bushmills with me in my checked luggage. But thats merely based on geography: Bushmills is from Northern Ireland (a predominantly Protestant region) and Jameson is from Cork Catholic country. I see. Enough said I thought, and bought the next round. I find Jameson to be a bit too sweet, I guess. Also absolutely no one gave a rats ass what my religion is & Dublin is currently commemorating the Easter Rising centennial! My South Side Irish Chicago Dad always told me that Jameson was the Catholic whisky and that Bushmills was the whiskey made by the damn Protestants. Tullamore Dew, rendered in most branding as Tullamore D.E.W. Ah. As regards the Catholic v Protestant whiskey debate. Like Jameson, it is blended whiskey, some combination of pure pot-still whiskey with column-still grain whiskey (allegedly 70% pure pot still to 30% grain). She didnt give a toss about anyones religion, let alone the whiskeys. Believe in the Trinity of God. I dont know about Ireland, but in some parts of the U.S there still major problems. [4] In addition, Barnard was high in his praise for Powers whiskey, noting:[4]. I am for Bushmills especially sprinkled over banana bread. Now, its important to note that the Scottish Reformation occurred in 1560, so odds are in favor of the founder of the Jameson distillery, being Scottish, was a damn Protestant. There are many places in the States where old ideas hold fast including the brand of Ouisge Beatha you drink. But that's merely based on geography: Bushmills is from Northern Ireland (a predominantly Protestant region) and Jameson is from Cork - Catholic country. This is because Guinness is now seen as a world-wide iconic Irish brand and brings in lots of money to the southern Irish economy. It is true to say it is an almost exclusively Protestant village, but otherwise it is a quiet rural area on a picturesque coastline, visited annually by thousands of tourists from both side of the divide. I grew up in NYC with this popular myth engrained on my conciousness. Being good to people is the very best thing you can do for yourself. A few years ago during a trip to Ireland we had dinner at the home of some relatives. In return, Bushmills receives grain whiskey from both Midleton & Cooley. Cant wait to find out. Slainte. Asked the guide about it. I just brought some Tyrconnell 10-year port cask aged home from duty free it is delicious. Most protestant in my area have a real problem with Catholics. Memories. One company that undeniably did discriminate against Catholics though was Guinness in Dublin yet i dont see any boycotts in place for that. One more thing Since Pernod Ricard shut down the grain stills at the old Bushmills distillery, all of the grain whiskey in Bushmills is from Middleton! Please remember quite a few of you presidents from Grant to Clinton descended from this part of the world. I was born in West Belfast and I can tell you, that most Catholics prefer Jamesons. I no longer consider myself Catholic, btw. [15], More recently, in 2015, Powers Signature Release won a gold medal in the category Irish Single Pot Still Whiskey at the Irish Whiskey Awards. To comment on a few posts above: I am of Irish descent and remember hearing the Protestant Whiskey comments as a kid growing up in New England(I am 50 now). [12] However, with many of the Irish distilleries having closed in the early 20th century in part due to their failure to embrace a change in consumer preference towards blended whiskey, Powers were instrumental in convincing the remaining Irish distilleries to reconsider their stance on blended whiskey.[8]. Whiskey is Irish, whatever brand (or religion), followed by Americans (as in bourbon whiskey etc.). So any Americans who believe this, should change to Murphys at once. Said to be the favorite of the Emerald Isle too. I am Northern Irish and really only see this being an Irish American issue. I believe that Germany is the largest market for Tullamore Dew, followed by many of the Eastern European countries. Jameson was a Dublin Whidkey but it was Protestant. Cheers! But I must say my absolute preference is Jameson 18 yr old. Didnt think I liked any kind of whiskey until last week when I asked our waitress at Murrays to bring me something Irishshe brought me Jamesons on the rocks along w/ a small bottle of ginger ale & a lime. I have a bottle of Midleton stashed away for a special occasion and I keep a bottle of Kilbeggan for my go-to whiskey. Jameson Irish Whiskey is produced in Midleton, Ireland, though the original home of the brand is in Dublin. But there was a bar that had a shot of Powers and a Guinness for $7, so as you can guess I ended up drinking quite a bit of it. The root of this myth lies in the fact that Bushmills is located in the predominately Protestant and still British Northern Ireland. Tullamore Dew has lemon notes with wood undertones, whereas Jameson has a light . Also, what in the heck does Virginia have to do with Kentucky Bourbon??? The numbers level out when it comes to religions those. Tullamore Dew is aged in ex-bourbon and ex-sherry cask type, whereas Jameson is aged in oak barrels. The old make, which we drank with our luncheon, was delicious, and finer than anything we had hitherto tasted. Youd be hard to convince me it is 40 proof, much less 80. It was the anti-Catholic hiring practices that Bushmills employed in Northern Ireland that fueled the snub. Yes, plenty of Irish whiskey is ordered as shots or in Pickle Backs, but it also works in a number of cocktails, including, of course, McGarry's The Dead Rabbit Irish Coffee. ** TONIGHT!! There will always be a few zealots who do, but from my knowledge, both Bushmills and Jamesons are enjoyed by people of both faiths. Ive always preferred the non-woodsy irish Whiskeys so Powers, Knappogue, Red Breast, and recently the Spots have been my drink of choice and never was a fan of bushmills. Bushmills on one end, Jamesons on the other. . say more. The Plantation of Ulster is when the King of England gave lands away in Northern Ireland to the English that originally belonged to the Irish. That was in fact untrue. stupid fucks In response, Guzzi This bill . Funny. Though Bushmills is the #2 Irish whiskey in the U.S., Tullamore Dew is #2 Irish whiskey (after Jameson) worldwide, so not too surprising that you would see it most places. The Protestant Reformation was a religious reform movement that swept through Europe in the 1500s. [1] History [ edit] Bushmills was my first taste of Irish Whiskey. Some, like Jameson, are owned by Catholic companies. Ive lost members of my family to the IRA in THIS generation. Im not sure that it says anything more than that it isnt a strictly American argument. Robber jumps out of an alley, holds up a gun, and says, Are you a Protestant or a Catholic? Man says, Neither, Im a jew. Robber thinks for a moment, says, but are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?, are you a Protestant or a Catholic? It makes things interesting. What can one expect from people who prefer grappa to the true Water of Life? Usually King James Version. Colum Egan (Master Distiller of Bushmills) is himself a Catholic. Great smooth flavor and a soft long finish. I will second the Powers recommendation to add some turf to the fire. In 1966, with the Irish whiskey industry still struggling following Prohibition in the United States, the Anglo-Irish Trade War and the rise of competition from Scotch whiskey, John Power & Son joined forces with the only other remaining distillers in the Irish Republic, the Cork Distilleries Company and their Dublin rivals John Jameson & Son, to form Irish Distillers. The word "catholic" means "all-embracing," and the Catholic Church sees itself as the only . so stop bringing religion into alcoholdrink what you like and leave the bigotry at the doorif people spent a few hours getting to know each other over a drink we wouldnt have half the discrimination we have today. Yes it is a bit heavier than most Irish whiskey, but I appreciate the depth and nuanced flavors. Bushmills is produced from 100% malted barley and grain whiskey (which it receives from the Midleton Distillery in Co. Cork where Jameson is made). But none of it means much, anyway: both distilleries are owned by huge international entities: Jameson by French liquor conglomerate Pernod-Ricard, and Bushmills by the English firm Diageo. Bushmills, which refused to hire Catholics for many years has been actively trying to recruit Catholic employees of late, because the pay a wee tax penalty for lack of diversity in their workforce. Patrick Irish whiskey tends to be a lighter style of whiskey than Scotch or American whiskies, but that doesnt mean its necessarily lower in quality. Also, show some class fellas (Burnsy calling me an idiot) my grandfather who is from Tipperary lost friends because of the Black and Tans (you know the English convicts the English government set upon the Irish), in some cases they were beaten to death!! Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Some of the comments here are totally rediculous. As a Scotsman living in Scotland, Id say I f youre worried about the religion of your whiskey then perhaps you shouldnt be drinking. Hi and i take my hat off to Rob Mchardy answer 34..more people should be like you and the world would be a nicer place,anyway there is only one kind of whisky,the answer is in the spelling. Just got back from Dublin yesterday & loved reading the post & all the comments here. In 1841, John Power, grandson of the founder was awarded a baronetcy, a hereditary title. As of late, its been my favorite it has rich barley notes that leave my palate craving more. Instead, American Catholics drew exten sively from an earlier movement launched by Father Mathew, a Catholic friar in Ireland.1 This article analyzes the ways in which lay Catholics adapted temperance 1. Yes, it is definitely misguided, even nuts, but its not a myth. About one-in-five (18%) chose "the Great Crusade," while 6% said "the Great Schism" and 5% said "the French Revolution And not to get too specific, but given the choice, Irish Canandian Dry in the clear glass bottle (opposed to the green bottle or Finches). Been sipping since I was a wee-lad and have tried lots of whiskey with leanings towards both Irish whiskey and Single malt Scotches. , Do note that the greatest tv show of all time, The Wire, always showed the Baltimore cops ordering Jameson in the bars, and the hero, McNulty, becomes indignant when only Bushmills is available at a partys open bar ( I guess most of the cops were Irish Catholic ), so traditions prevailed. As an irish american raised in an irish roman catholic family I can say this: It is a distinct and beautiful expression of the craft. Very easy arrangement. Im redbreast girl too, but recently been sipping on the Bushmills 10, thought now Im interested to try Powers Gold Label! Holy moly, The fact that this blog has been going for so very long tells me the myth is true. Now as far as whiskey goes, Im a newbie to Irish stuff but tend to love it all since I am a hard drinker for 6 plus decades. Parents did their best to kill thatand they did. Initially a war between various Protestant and Catholic states in the fragmented Holy Roman Empire, it gradually developed into a more general . Ian Paisley MP, Euro MP and MLA; universally known Doctor No. Mmmm..Middleton distillery. Im trying one at a time to see what I prefer. But "this couldn't be any further from the truth," says McGarry. Turned out not to be such a controversy. These ideas still run deep and there are still a lot of untrue things people believe about Catholics. [3], As the distillery grew, so too did the stature of the family. This is part of a long standing agreement from the old IDL days. Roman Catholic influence on the whiskey world doesn't end with Henry VIII, however. In the tv show The Wire McNulty made a comment about not drinking that fucking Protesant whiskey when asked by Bunk why he always drank Jamesons. The overwhelming majority of people in Ireland just want to get on with their lives, as they have always done and forget about this petty conflict. The Holy Roman Empire As for the religious differences, its always been easier for those not in the mess (in the US, England) to say and perpetuate things over that of those who have to suffer the views and manipulations of outsiders. March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM / CBS San Francisco. Who do I believe, the man who raised me, or some drunk I met in a bar? Despised it. Whiskey, or "uisce beatha" in the Irish language, is an integral part of Ireland and Irish culture. So, so stupid. 1 pint of stout and a halfun of Jameson.. I noticed a little uncertainty about spelling in the story. Comment You claim that it is an Irish-American phenomenon, however up in the six counties Catholics drink Jameson and Prod-Brits drink Bushmills there is even a bit of violence attached to it. I live in a small town in Texas, I am Catholic and I am treated as if I am a leper. Anyway, both of your sources are wrong, but at least your father got the order right. Clicking on a product takes you to Amazon, which helps me keep this site running, so thank you in advance! @Rob: my scotch comment was tongue-in-cheek. The Protestant Reformation began in Wittenberg, Germany, on October 31, 1517 . 12 years of Catholic school in Queens, NY which is probably why Ive been a Buddhist for the last 35+. Never tried Redbreast for some reason. So, I figured then maybe I was Protestant Irish? An Italian friend, when introduced to the term Uiske Beatha thought the word was bad water and now refers to it as Aqua Sporca or dirty water. And, fact fans, the space-age Middleton distillery in the far south makes the neutral alcohol for the blends produced at Bushmills up North. Id suggest Tullamore Dew, it was founded by Catholics and is still owned by a nice Irish Catholic company. To my certain knowledge and as am employee of Bushmills (and a Catholic by birth, but an atheist by choice), you are entirely mistaken. 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