You will be able to hit within a 1 circle from just a few feet from the muzzle out to approximately 59 yards. The whole debate is pretty stupid. Once you learn the bullet drop, then you are left with windage which is the hard part in open country. In contrast, I also tested a 200 yard zero, which resulted in a -0.6 mil hold under at this same stretch of 60 yards to 120 yards. In this article, I will beposting some datato share how much the bullet has risen and fallen at different distances with different zeros. To see for myself how these two zeros stack up, I took two similarly set up rifles to the range, one zeroed to 50 yards and the other zeroed to 36 yards. To print the target, click the last link and be sure to follow the instructions on printing. Chances are youll be very close, if not dead on. So, Im shooting an ar pistol, 7.5 barrel. To move 1 with a 1/2 MOA click at 10 yards, you will need 20 clicks and so on. 36 is a good combat zero (where just hitting center mass is the goal) but definitely not the best for a precision/long range setup. If everything goes well with your initial work at 10 yards, you can then use the black dot to check your zero at 50 or 200 yards since it should be relatively free of impacts. 100 yard Magnified optics recommended As for why I would want a different zero for my red dot I would just like to be a little more confident when shooting at ranges beyond 100 yards. 36 Yard Zero for .556? Between 50 yards and 300 yards is only about 5 inches. Even the text is real thin, hard to read. Thanks again and hope you get some rest. So many abbreviations on this sight it gets confusing on some stuff. If youve read all this and still arent sure of the answer, start with a 50 yard zero and go from there. Failure drills were shot at the 10, 7 and 5 yard lines, while the hostage taker was done at the 10 after running to make a button hook turn. Don't overthink this. Live The Armory Life. The gray dot is 1.9 below your point of aim (POA) and represents your point of impact (POI). However, many optics will allow you to click up or down in 1/2 moa increments, so if your using a variable just adjust up or down on the turret to match the come up. What I mean by different rifle zeros, Specifically in 223 or 5.56 caliber rifles, is the different ranges you can zero your rifle at andhow they affect the trajectory. Depending on your sighting system and target size this could end up obscuring your target, so keep that in mind if you plan to use this zero. I highly recommend that you review Frank Proctors video on this zeroing method and my brief comments on how it worked for me before attempting it. Venture, Scope, X at 25 yards. To understand this, let's look at a trajectory that is considered "flat." Logistically, it may also be easier for some shooters to get a 50 yard zero since many ranges may not have the facilities available to set up and shoot 36 yards. Most people can find a 10 yard (30 feet) line of sight in their home. 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You cannot go wrong with either. Editors Note: Please be sure to check out The Armory Life Forum, where you can comment about our daily articles, as well as just talk guns and gear. A 25 yard zero yields roughly a 1/2" hold over at 10 yards, but will be POA/POI at 25. The black represents your point of aim. Personally, I think you are overthinking it. But this should be a very close estimation. That's step 1. You can actually take an 11.5 out to 1000 yards with a 32 ish yard zero. I should also note that this is somewhat dependent on the height of your optic. Then go out and check it. The bottom dot on the 0:0 axis is where the bullet would hit if you were aiming at a target 25 yards away with a 36yd zero which is approximately -.72 below your point of aim. I use 50-200 because it actually lines up with my BDC drops on the Razor HD ii. 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For over a year I was thinking about changing my zero from 25 yards to 36 yards. I've come into a bit of a pickle about Zeroing my rifle I already use a 36 yard zero on my AR's and it works great on both the SBR and the standard 16 in Barrel. Mag dumping into trash is more fun than 4 shots per 30min, however.not cheaper #fact. If I were in a self defense situation, with a 50 yard zero, Id have to aim like 6+ low at 15 yards? You should of course then verify at one of those distances.). It's important to shoot this group from the standing unsupported position. If you are shooting that far you won't be able to see the target very well anyway with an unmagnified optic. /r/ar15 is here for your favorite black gun links, build pics, questions and other tactical or practical information. Great summary. UPDATE 3: I receive multiple emails weekly about this target and its effectiveness with various other calibers and rifles. The rifle zeroed at 50 yards shot a little flatter with a max ordinate of just a few inches above the line of sight. This is a great video. What is the other one? Here's the most impressive thing: The average drop along the whole trajectory out to 300 yards is lowest (-1.36"), and the median average is also the lowest at -.41 inches. Zero at 36, POA = POI at 300. To help keep things on track and provide context, Im using a SAINT Victor 5.56 rifle with a 16 barrel shooting some flavor of 55- to 62-gr. ._3K2ydhts9_ES4s9UpcXqBi{display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%} If I need to push out a bit farther, I can just hold level with the shoulder line or top of the target for 350 and 400 yards, respectively. It will cross your line of sight twice; once at where you zeroed it, and once again when the bullet starts to drop. Zeroing a carbine with open sights or a red dot at 100 yards isnt intuitive, but the concept has been gaining ground in recent years for certain applications. So a 50 yard zero on a 16inch 5.56/223 barrel is point and shoot out to 200 yards and everything after that is a holdover. 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UPDATE 2: It may go without saying but this target can also be used to fine-tune your zero at a greater distance. By 200 yards you're already needing to compensate for bullet drop. With the 36 yard zero being fairly non standard should I just avoid it due to most ranges not offering that particular known distance? One shows it compared to a 100 yard zero and the other shows it compared to different rounds. 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