The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the But even after hundreds of pages of myths and interpretations Temple fails to make a connection between ancient Egypt and the modern Dogons; instead he "assumes" it. Sirius figures prominently in the Dogon myths. Sagan, Carl. 1978. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. No other anthropologist supports their opinions. But that isn't the only parallel. And this is what Mr. Oberg has done." WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . his informants in such a forceful leading manner that they created new Encyclopedia Galactica,, Benest, D. and J. L. Duvent. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. The Nine also claim to be extraterrestrial beings from the star Sirius. The second problem is that ancient writers seemed to use color for stars in a way different from the way that we do (they described Pollux, Arcturus, and Capella as red a modern observer would call them yellow-orange, orange, and yellow, respectively). This is only a stellar stone's throw by galactic standards and Sirius is only twice as far away from our solar system as are the nearest The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved Try my free online Rune Readings! the Dogon. Ogotemmeli: An Introduction to Dogon Religious "their purpose in disguising their secrets was to see that the secrets could survive.". had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely Such criteria suggest that these periodic festivals have been going on for at least 600 years and possibly much longer. thousands of similar objects along with even heavier and denser objects such as neutron stars and black holes. Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. The aliens came here According to Sagan, western Africa has had many visitors from Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. extraterrestrial visitors? That's one major characteristic of classical pseudo-science, its ability to incorporate any result and its ability to be immune from disproof from any result. Temple claimed that the Dogon knew about two smaller stars that are closely related to Sirius Sirius B and Sirius C. The mystery was how they had obtained this knowledge, as these companion stars cannot be seen by the unaided eye. Sirius B without the need of a telescope because of their special eyesight (Photo by John and Keturah. Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. knowledge of the satellites of Jupiter and rings of Saturn, among other The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. "[10] Ridpath states that while the information that the Dogon probably gained from Europeans to some extent resembles the facts about Sirius, the presumed original Dogon knowledge of the star is very far from the facts. The Dogon legend connected with Sirius, wrote Ridpath, "is riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally." [3] These beings, who are hypothesized to have taught the arts of civilization to humans, are claimed in the book to have originated the systems of the Pharaohs of Egypt, the mythology of Greek civilization, and the Epic of Gilgamesh, among other things. astronomical information. interpreter. Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. Whew! The author mentions that he could have made the book much longer but restrained himself "lest I blow this book up into a pufball of miscellaneous odds and ends" -- which prompted one reviewer to remark that Temple had stopped much too late to avoid that fate. Figure 2. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. They seem to have WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part ofthe Sirius tore." (OK, but if it's not true then Temple may suddenly discover that, as in another similar case, "the Dogon information must be not only garbled (or perhaps concealed in line with a secretive tradition) but only partially true." (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) As an example, Sagan believes that because the Dogon seem to have no knowledge of another planet beyond Saturn which has rings, their knowledge is therefore more likely to have come from European, and not extraterrestrial, sources.[11]. The Nine became part of the UFO and New Age mythology and many claim to be in contact with them. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. Mali was a former French colony (part of the Sudan), so some Dogon may have gone to French schools in the 1920s.7 Or Jesuit missionaries or merchants may have imparted the information to them.8, There may be an even simpler explanation. star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria interesting that the Greek Sirius is Seirios.". If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. Finally, he asked me point-blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book so that the answer was true, I said I could not point out any errors. space. scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. In 1977 two radio astronomers were interested enough in the Sirius mystery to direct their telescopes at the star system in hopes of picking up any artificial radio signals. stars to the sun, the Alpha Centauri system. For more then 20 years, The Sirius Mystery has influenced speculation about the possibility that our forefathers came from the stars. "It does not!" Broca's Brain (New York: Random House, 1979), I published, showed the distances to be nowhere close, in error by tens of miles, at least ten percent -- hardly "immense accuracy. The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. He points out that Griaule and Dieterlen stand alone in their claims about the Dogon secret knowledge. Flim-Flam! So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. Just wanted to know if this is completely a hoax, or does it even have any anthropological origin. Our mysteries may be different but our questions are the same and we are no wiser. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. found no evidence they knew Sirius was a double star or that Sirius B is In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. The number "fifty" has great signifance in ancient myths. 139-167. The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. in elliptical orbits of astronomical phenomena. Some of this information has been selectively interpreted by Temple to support his claims. It is important to look at the assumptions and implications of the claims made about the Dogon. The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New Schroder, D.J., et al. Nigel Appleby whose book Hall of the Gods was withdrawn from publication has admitted to being tremendously influenced by Temples Sirius Mystery. I suspect not.". September 1976 saw The diagram is only convincing as a representation of Sirius B orbiting Sirius A when most of the original symbols are eliminated. If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. In his 1998 revised edition, Temple was quick to point out the new discussions in scientific circles about the possible existence of Sirius C, which seemed to make Griaules claims even more spectacular and accurate. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. It was popularized in an episode from the In Search of television series narrated by Leonard Nimoy. Moon is traveling through Cancer today. But it is an unfortunate tendency for certain reviewers to wish to try and appear clever at the expense of accuracy, honesty, objectivity, fairness, or even decent manners, by dropping any standards at all in their headlong assaults on authors using only the tools of distortion, dishonesty, and insults. no conclusions of any kind." The Dogon beliefs about Jupiter and Saturn sound familiar too. So where does this leave the mysteries of Sirius? This is true, but Sirius has about 25 times the luminosity of the Sun. Perhaps the source was Temple As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. The Pleiades are sometimes mentioned, but this is not possible. of earth and transmitted in conversation. But the extraterrestrial hypothesis will not fade away so easily. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. "Robert Temple on three different occasions, by mail and phone, attempted to get support from me and I steadfastly refused," Asimov wrote. Copyright 19922023. He points out that the Dogon myths also describe a third star (astronomers would call it "Sirius C"), as yet undiscovered. He allegedly found the distances "to be nearly equal to one another" -- although no quantitative definition of "nearly equal" was ever offered. How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? G. Stein (Amherst, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1996), pp. A critical analysis has to investigate the accuracy of such claims, so as to judge the validity of the book's conclusions. stream Randi, James. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible S]V',H79aD>1 Q@d(FOY;"36y0Z{VXEJwOx._tto}#&i|HR-i4 complete diagram that the Dogon showed to the French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen, who were the original Griaule and Dieterlen first described their findings in an article published in French in 1950, but they included no comment about how extraordinary the Dogon knowledge of the invisible companions was. The ancient records are filled with unanswered astronomical questions -- including the "red Sirius" and the possible Sumerian Ea-Oannes references to the spectacular Vela-X supernova. But my own measurements, which The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. informed the Dogon of Sirius B or "he misinterpreted their references WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. Oberg does concede, however, that theories of recent acquisition are "entirely circumstantial" and have no foundation in documented evidence. Laird Scranton makes it clear that he ruled out this possibility in this interview. One unproven aspect of the reported Dogon knowledge of the Sirius system is the assertion that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." Several possibilities exist. Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s before he visited the Dogon there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C. The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts According to Griaule and A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. Since Oberg cannot do so, we need not concern ourselves with criticisms of The Sirius Mystery." 6, "White A dynamical study published in 1995, based on anomalous perturbations of Sirius B (suggestive of the star being gravitationally influenced by another body) concluded that the presence of a third star orbiting Sirius could not be ruled out. Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. The Dogon and Sirius. van Beek, Walter E. A. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. Ideas originally published in 1948, reprint (Oxford University Press 1997). Skeptic. Griaule," Current Anthropology 32, 1992, pp. Below: The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy (discovered in 2003) is the nearest known galaxy to the centre of the Milky Way. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the <> History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. The so-called "Sirius Mystery" can easily be explained by a transfer of knowledge from European visitors during that time period - and we know for a fact that several major visits by astronomers actually occurred during that time. This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. He also gives public talks on astronomy and related fringe topics to international audiences. Bullard, Thomas. If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? But Sagan then finds both astronomical and mythological holes in the hypothesis. The Sirius Mystery is a book written by Robert K. G. Temple (born Robert Kyle Grenville Temple in 1945) supporting the pseudoscientific[1] ancient astronauts hypothesis that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited the Earth and made contact with humans in antiquity and prehistoric times. Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. 1995. With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. The Dogon also hold a big sigui ceremony every 60 years, which some interpret as representing the period of time it takes Sirius B to go around Sirius A. by Philip Coppens. What about Sirius? Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." Meanwhile the Dogon myths continue to baffle investigators. Young was a fervent believer in the Council of Nine, a mysterious group of channelled entities that claim to be the nine creator gods of ancient Egypt. Used under aCreative Commons license. sources for Temple's story. The obviously advanced astronomical knowledge must have come from somewhere, but is it an ancient bequest or a modern graft? Such words would have more persuasion behind them (to me they're merely an emotional appeal to sympathy) if Temple had ever admitted anywhere in print that he had found (or had been shown) any errors in his book or articles or public statements -- but if he has done so, I haven't become aware of them. The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. In reply Temple produces evidence for the great antiquity of the Sirius cult. Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. Some astronomers speculate that the white dwarf Sirius B might have been a flaming red giant only 2000 years ago although current astrophysical theories decree that any such transformation in less than 100,000 years is impossible. "The ancient peoples were not concealing information from us out of spite," he writes. some 8.6 light years from earth. It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. And finally, even if Sirius B had been a visible red giant a few thousand years ago, how would the Dogon know that Sirius B was still there after it became a white dwarf? What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. York: Random House, 1995). The cartographer took all such factors into account. [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. the Sirius "Mystery". MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. 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