It weighs 10.2 pounds empty and is 43.5 inches long. Layoffs to follow. In short, this means rifle-makers need to adapt, and one company taking that step is Rock River Arms (RRA) with its LAR-15 Operator III in 5.56mm NATO. This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. The company makes a wide variety of weapons, Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. If youve already implemented them, great. As an Illinois dealer, I will no longer stock, sell or support Rock River Arms or Springfield Armory products. They are a leader in the firearms field with a vast array of products that work correctly. Bill may not have been perfect (who is), but his passion for firearms was solid and he was known as Americas Gunmaker, for good reasons. Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the However, if youre willing to spend a little extra money on your rifle, Rock River Arms is definitely worth considering. The Rock River Arms LAR-15 RRage 3G 5.56/.223 Rifle is a semi-auto rifle that delivers accurate shooting in a dependable platform with a clean, trim look. Pick something and follow it. These fat dumb and happy political hacks arent used to burning time and money on issues this far out. Who Makes Rock River Arms? Its a FACT that those brands are twice the price as Ruger. Springfield Armory today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Id bet a bunch of employees would jump at the chance go move from IL to TN or MO or TX. Rock River LAR-8 .308. All of these rifles are vastly superior to Ruger. They seemed like a freedom loving company that supported the right for people to do what they had rights to do. CZ-75/85 are great guns. I was just about to purchase a 1911 with the deal Springfield is running this week. ), I DO have a choice with firearms. That is amazingly The original company lives on today under the name Winche ster. * How to order a firearm: See The Guide. If for no other reason than as a cautionary tale to other would be future sell outs. Thats bad, dont get me wrong. Had it in the cart at buds ready to buy tomorrow and now it definitely is not going to happen. Maybe the deal was the result ofa lobbyist gone rogue. I was going to buy the Saint, seemed like a.nice rifle, now.they can piss up a rope. Now they will pay the price. I just bought a DDM4V11 in January at an unheard of, low price of $1369. Anyone who tries will come out worse for the experience. Like other gun-manufacturers Springfield can move its operations to a gun-friendly state. Might want to rethink Ruger as well. Simply offering ideas and encouragement. Screw them. An XD and its in .40? Screw CTD. Springfield isnt doing anything that the vast majority of companies do, protecting their bottom line. Not now. Antifa is showing what they are willing to do, watch their fellow komrad take a LEO beanbag round to the wang and keep marching. Meanwhile, over at the Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Thanks a bunch pricks! One of the few cases of sincere contrition. Theyre sole purpose is to protect their own interests. Glad I happened upon this article. Now Im off to call Cabelas and inform them of SAs treachery and why i will not buy from them as long as they carry SA product, http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?recordsPerPage=18&No=0&N=0&nl=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=Springfield+Armory&search=Search. Welp. Down side is nobody making spare mags for it yet other than Hornor Defense. I imagine that there will be a few FFLs leaving IL. Built on the companys RRAGE upper and lower receiver and handguard assemblies, the pistol delivers a sleek profile. This story is libel. The ATH V2 comes with an 18-inch, stainless steel, Hindsight is always 20/20 and the Liberal Dems are always after our Firearms Freedoms. Maybe then you can explain it to the pussy who wrote this article. Good luck RRA. I realy liked this ranger officer mogel all stainless nice looking gun. Rock River's LAR-458 is the top pick for hunters because of its value, excellent trigger and superb accuracy. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. Make this a massive intractable mess. So I got the mags from a third party seller and have refused to do business with them ever since. Maybe thats the case in many instances, but its not like the IFMA has thousands of members. This rifle also has an RRA TRO-XL extended free float rail handguard and an accuracy of 3/4 MOA at 100 Yards. After Bill Ruger died, Ruger also dramatically changed direction. What if I want to get some real nice (read expensive) gun and in order to spare my familys budget I decide to sell part of my gun collection? They ignored it. When Colorado banned high cap magazines magpul moved to Texas. Also check out the BM 59 kits and complete rifles out there. RRA is pretty close to Iowa iirc. Its easy for consumers to march elsewhere, skilled Illinois tradespeople may not be so lucky. Thanks for Nothing SA. Neither excuse is a proper justification. F them. Hence why, even with Democrats holding a super-majority in both our House and Senate, and a rabidly anti-gun Governor, we held the line even post-Newtown. God Bless America, As a dealer I will no longer suggest either one of these firearm companies to my customers or stock them there are many other fine firearms on the market. Easy there tough guy. The firearms community will be better without them. Keller dropped IFMAs opposition, providing cover for a couple of wavering Senators to vote for the bill. Then beg for forgiveness. When S&W is in the position to potentially block anti-gun legislation but decides not to because it is better for their business even if it screws their customers, THEN YOU WILL SEE ME call for an S&W boycott. Just keep in mind, if you have a dozen guns in your safe, I GUARANTEE you that at least one comes from a company whos compromised at some point. No offense intended. Rock River Arms earned their reputation by manufacturing some of the most accurate and reliable semi-auto rifles for the law enforcement and civilian markets. The Henry ri fle was made by the New Haven Ar ms Company. Have been eyeballing the SA Saint the last couple weeks. PERIOD. After the 2004 sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban, AR pistols developed rapidly and have become popular. Could be paperweights. Whats more, Larsonseems genuinely appalled by what happened. and thats where the idea of 10 round limit for magazines originated,right from the mouth of Bill Ruger. Im sorry, I mean they would ask after putting you and your fliers in the dumpster. Illinois gun owners should pack up and move across the Mississippi to Missouri. Their entire C Suite should resign and they need to prove themselves. They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions.. You should buy a BCM, Daniel Defense, or LWRC. As the old adage goes, put up or shut up. Hes totally grasping at straws on that point in his video. We will support our Illinois brethren and NOT purchase anything from Springfield Armory or RRA. If theres a silver lining here, this law should be shot down by the courts. If only there was a place to run-and-gun in or near NWI. I used to love my Springfield XDM and M1a national match. They also make an Original Henry Rifle. Katrina gun confiscation showed us what any civil conflict will have as the belligerents, LEOs / Feds posing as LEOs giving you a hard choice.and a few Bundy-style standoffs. LAR 8 is a nice weapon. So an opportunity to block others selling in Illinois seemed like a quick and dirty way to make a few more bucks. No Springfield guns for me. My 1911 search continues and Ill never purchase a Springfield. SA, who knows, maybe they can retool to make manure spreaders. This is why I said should not will. Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. Not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but check out Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. chamber also differ from the 5.56 mm NATO chamber We need the pistols to get to our rifles anyway. The dimensions and leade of the .223 Remington minimum C.I.P. Sorry for the spelling error. Not a nice odor. Find Senators and Representatives in close political battles last election and get their previously defeated opponents on board. Yes, that is the cloud which is usually much larger than the silver lining. Ive refused to buy S&W products since then, with the sole exception of a Model 640 Pro .357 Magnum, which lacks the damned thing. Today, we have nearly one dozen gun control groups working in Illinois. To address these issues, various proprietary chambers exist, such as the Wylde chamber (Rock River Arms)[14] or the ArmaLite chamber, which are designed to handle both 5.56 mm NATO and .223 Remington equally well. Frankly, Im wondering how Im going to sell my existing inventory.. AND everyone that the lobbyist represents must be in agreement. Not a smart move in a buyers market, or any really. Yuge. Thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. Go and ask them and Youtube/Periscope their responses. Or companies selling imported crap that pretend to be American. Bill is long gone and the last 15yrs of Ruger leadership have taken a much different stance. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. For those who missed it, we broke the story late Thursday evening. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. You have entered an incorrect email address! 84283412342. Or in the General Assembly. They are more than welcome in southern Indiana. I dont think the current owner is going to make that same mistake although I wish they would just stop putting in that stupid lock already. Everyone here is minding our business, because its our business where our money goes. Only Ruger has in the past few years regularly donated millions to the NRA. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 X-1 5.56mm Black Semi-Auto Rifle with RRA Beast Muzzle Brake Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: XAR1751B; Rock River Arms LAR-15 X-1 5.56mm Flat Dark Earth (FDE) Semi-Auto Rifle with RRA Beast Muzzle Br Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: XAR1751T; I think that if gun owners boycotted every company into oblivion that had to compromise at some point there wouldnt be any gun manufacturers around. And theyre telling their friends. CTD does our best to price our products at market value. Also, RRA derives the bulk of its money from government and LE contracts so youll have a really hard time bankrupting them with a civvie sales boycott. Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Pieces, Quote of the Day: The Johnny Appleseed of Ghost Guns, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, State, Federal Lawmakers Trying to Put the Brakes On Credit Card Companies Tracking Firearm Purchases, Chicagos Failed Mayor Lori Lightfoot Loses in Reelection EffortBadly, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company#Early_history, http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. That alone is enough to put them out of business. Please, spend your money where you want. Whats more, Larson seems genuinely appalled by what happened. Make it a campaign issue NOW. Springfields CEO on the other hand, either through stupidity, hamhandedness or outright lying has seriously damaged his company. What should be boycotted is this garbage blog. Absolutely love them. When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. If I was a competitor, Id print up ten thousand flyers announcing Springfields decision and carpet the show with them. Gun owners have good memories, it will take a year but Springfield like Target will notice their mistake on their Revenue numbers and blame the weather, the president, insert excuse here. Web50%. Ive heard of them canceling orders. Rock Rivers AR builds are superb, and they come in at a price thats quite reasonable (starting at $1,585). RRA will wind up being an LE only shop. I got a 12 2a armament Mlok handguard from them for $148.97 and free shipping in September. They ONLY DO WHAT THEIR CLIENTS TELL THEM TO DO. They were charging $100 for a 30 round mag during the panic. CTD are dirtbags plain and simple. It only sells a 100% American Made product using American Labor. I know people who continue to not buy Ruger even after his kids made up for the old mans traitorous ways. Of course there will be others that benefit as well. Oh, hell no, he told me. I cant imagine the CEOs of those two companies werent in the loop on these negotiations. So, buying 5 and selling 4 is the limit. Get a Dan Wesson instead. I just wish there was a good M14 clone I could get. But I didnt detect a lot of love in his words. I bought my first Rock Didnt you read this article? The rifle comes fully loaded with a Rock River two-stage His quote was basically the above damned if I do damned if I dont and that it wasnt worth the headache. WebThis is the perfet mag for your LAR-15, and will work great in any AR-15 platform rifle. That said, this just breaks my heart to see this moron Reese damage the brand. It happens ALL THE TIME, and with companies much larger than RRA. Well, said. An American didnt screw all other American gun-owners. I hope that it will bankrupt them, for it appears to be the only way these gun companies will learned to to alienate their comsumers. Well, not basically, they did. If you want to scope your BM 59, there is a company that makes a direct over the bore scope kit for Garands that fits the BM59. Thankfully, we still have two more chances to stop this travesty of a bill. Henry and Ruger for the win. The silent majority will get the shaft, not gonna be any civil war, get over yourself. So Rock River spent at least $50.000 fund the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. If you apply more than 9 make-ups in a year, you are in cosmetology businesses. Huh? you cant fix prices or youll get a shortage. No further recommendation about the products will be made. Which would help with elimination if in the future. What would you have done differently if you ran SA or RRA with a workforce that is similarly trapped in soviet Illinois and depends on your company staying open and profitable to keep their jobs? Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! More recently, they do this big Saint countdown/reveal that just ends up being Another Entry-Level AR-15, just what the market needed. Another dealer told me he wished Springfield well. Its a freakin disaster. Theyd screw over their grandmother for a dime. (Im a 30 yr Vet). As far as the betrayal, bear in mind that it was the act of a couple of people and unfortunately there are plenty of freedom loving 2nd Amendment supporters working for SA that will be harmed by their bad judgement. If RRA didnt know about this and, as a sign of their disgust, drops their funding and membership in the trade group youd still hold them accountable? We are not obligated to honor a price that is in print or an error. They rebrand the HS2000 as the XD and jack up the price $200. And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. And gun control wins, like this keep the gravy train flowing so they can continue to draw a paycheck and keep on going. Tell us more about your experience in running a business. Both are were on their way to selling over a quarter million of Springfield product this year. Now they piss on us and tell us its raining? They are actively editing social media but refuse to address the issue. Didnt Smith and Wesson do the same thing back in the Clinton era, and it nearly bankrupted them, let alone took them years to reclaim the trust of the gun community. in some cases they are just as passionate about their brands. They make a so-so M14 copy that can only stand up because Norinco cant export their el-cheapo copy here anymore. Im a New Yorker. They will now go to the top so I can wear them out and use the warranty. Does anyone really buy RRAs BS, We didnt know? THEY MUST PARISH AND EVERYONE WHO DOESNT BACK ME IM GONNA CURSE AT AND BE MEAN TO!!! You probably also found out that at least bizapedia reports that the IFMA was dissolved. $14.95 Per Firearm One $9.99 Charge For Any Amount of Accessories Performance Tuned. Enjoy 45% Off Rock River Arms Goods At Walmart. If you dont like their price dont buy. If this bill actually passes, I think the hit should be pretty severe. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. But it will be history at my house. Current employees would be welcone to come along, otherwise there are many good and talented Americans looking for work. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. What opinion? How is he still employed? You wont be able to pull a fast one and expect to not get called out on it. The lobbying group in question received money from SA and RRA back in 2014. I was a dedicated 1911 guy and really wanted to stick with something with a grip safety like the EMP contour or even the R-51. Keyboard commandos wont fight it out on any battlefield. Rock Bolt Gun Rbg-1s Starting At $4,450. He might want to eject before the SS Springfield capsizes. If CTD notices panic buying, cancels prior sales and refunds them, so it can resell stuff that belonged to its customers, thats not their right. Gun owners should have bankrupted Ruger immediately, but they didnt. Typical narrow minded hypocrites. But I wont EVER support a company who actively supports an infringement of any kind. If workers still want a job, its a reasonable commute. Its like trying to work with Bloomberg himself. That is their only 2 clients because it only exists and was created for them. James Jeffrey, the author's friend, Asit should. The LWRC, DD and BCM are ALL over $1300. Very close to where I grew up. Divide & conquer. Regardless of who did what,the after-effects of this deal and a legislative loss will be felt far beyond Illinois for some time to come. My inventory of six XD pistols two 1911 .45s and two M 1As will be up for sale tommorow. Dont know what will replace the EMP4 but I bet the TRP itch gets scratched by a Dan Wesson. I thought it was great that they were living in the same liberal hell hole that I was living in. There are millions of people in the US who no longer think that its enough to fight and die for these rights. Couple of Butler Buildings, concrete pad to support machinery loading, movers and a power hookup. Dont forget about the Ruger, Smith and Wesson sellout.. But when you have a muti million dollar company thats set up in a state thats you cant just pick up and move then you do what you have to do to survive. Well also work on the NRA to start taking a firmer stance against rogue anti-2A manufacturers, no matter how much advertising space they buy. Hes hurt the small guys trying to kiss up to the big retailers here in Illinois. Do you know how much the dealer bought them for? And yes, they are actually closer to Iowa than to Chicago. I totally agree Travis. But thats only a fraction of his treachery. No more. Defending Your Legacy is obviously just a marketing slogan for Springfield. Cant beat that! All have been accurate and reliable. Ruger today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Its GENESEO and its still about 3 hours from Chicago. This says a lot about the people running the company. Did Springfield get shouted down at their own party? You shouldve made that decision because it is a piece of garbage, not because of this hysterical article. Had a Springfield 1911 that I sold late last year to fund another purchase and was thinking of replacing it with a TRP at some point guess this gives me all the excuses I needed to spend a few hundred more for a Dan Wesson or an STI. Folks like me are willing to kill for them. 2) One of the Resses got caught doing something bad again, and a deal was reached to help anti-2nd forces in exchange for an investigation going away. If IFMA had stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the NRA-ILA, the Illinois State Rifle Association, Guns Save Lifeand the National Shooting Sports Foundation working as a team to oppose this egregiousbill wed have had a good chance of depriving anti-gunners of a badly needed win. Its their prerogative. First, they co-opt the name of a famous military armory to start a business with absolutely no ties to the original Springfield. Enjoy shooting it, and the second one if you buy one. Dont own a Springfield anything and now never will. This is how capitalism works. Thats bad math and bad leadership. Henry and Ruger get my votes for Americas Gunmakers. Colona, IL (May 2020) Rock River Arms, one of the industry leaders in AR-platform firearms, expands its line of defensive semi-autos with the introduction of the RRAGE 10.5-inch pistol. Hislobbyist will continue to fight and protect dealers and gun owners? Taurus? And their quality has never wavered (damn straight). A corrupt Illinois politician. Hinterland #: 50977; MFG #: MT1800X; In stock. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. I bought 6 smith & wessons before I ever knew about the incident. I am happy with my Polytech. This is going to be really bad for RRA and Springfield. As the market changes so does our pricing. Two companies provide the bulk of the funding for IFMA:Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. RRA should be punished too. No they dont. Have you not been following this story? Because of rumors of canceled orders. I also find their use of Springfield Armory in their advertising repulsive, implying over 240 years of history in the current company, starting in 1777. Neither will have the working capitol to sustain a relocation. Two? Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. Are you reading-impaired? We do not need traitors in our midst. Springfield Armory *deserves* to be pitchforked and torched. Any I have to ask WHY? It will make my future purchases easier because two manufacturers are automatically removed from my search and consideration. Thats rolling over and showing your belly while wagging your tail. Yes, very disappointed. Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. This rifle is fed by a 10-round AICS-pattern detachable box magazine. Damage done. They spent weeks trying to gin up interest in the XD-E introduction with their mysterious ads, and it was all for nothing. We beat back a similar bill last year. The CMMG MkW-15 XBE Anvil gets the top pick for enthusiasts that handload or shoot a lot. Those bastards. I see how you fired a shot across IFMAs bow last week. Robert, and we, the honest and dedicated advocates of the 2A and gun owners stand by TTAG in this. How did the unveiling of the new pistol go? Sooner or later they are going to destroy you. What part of their history am I missing Gov? We feel that IFMAs How does what a lobbying group receives from a company 3 years ago translate to what the lobbying group does in the present? 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